ext_106124 ([identity profile] bardling.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] avevale_intelligencer 2005-01-04 06:27 pm (UTC)

I think what [livejournal.com profile] vampirdaddy meant is that the word "hamburger" for a meat patty (beef/pork or mixed) to a German seems (re-)"imported" from the US. In Hamburg said patties are traditionally called "Frikadelle". Another German term I know for them is "Bullette". The term hamburger for them (re-)appeared with the introduction of US-based fast food chain restaurants.

Sib's etymology search seems to explain that the name did originally migrate to the US from Germany though, which I could neither support nor refute.

"Hamburger" in general certainly does mean "from/in Hamburg", as witnessed e.g. by the sea shanty line: "Ick heff mol een Hamburger Veermaster seen..." (I once saw a 4-mast ship from Hamburg in literal translation.) People originating from or living in Hamburg (e.g. myself & [livejournal.com profile] katyhh) are referred to as Hamburgers.

Sidenote: German "Burg" = castle/fortress.
Hamburg derives from "Hammaburg", built around 810AD by the Karolingians as a military base to defend against tribes in the north:
"Ham", old saxon for marshy area or area by a river
"burg", fortress/castle - in this case a defensive enclosure surrounded by an earther dyke.

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