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avevale_intelligencer ([personal profile] avevale_intelligencer) wrote2008-10-13 08:51 am

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So the latest thing going the rounds is "OMG they're using socialism on us!" The idea has permeated the web and become one of those things that nobody questions.

Newsflash, guys. Okay, the government may have bought some assets, but calling that socialism is like calling it Christian worship when a man stubs his toe and shouts "JESUS!!!" Socialism is when the government owns and administers the means of production and distribution for the benefit of the people and as the normal state of affairs. Buying up a bunch of dodgy loans to save your venture-capitalist friends from having to face the consequences of their greed may be many things, including but not limited to unconstitutional, impractical, hypocritical, desperate and just plain stupid, but socialism in any meaningful sense it ain't, and calling it such is simple scaremongering, because for some reason Americans are more terrified of socialism than of, oh say, theocratic despotism.

To be fair, I'm sure Bush and his friends would much rather have simply handed over the original $700bn to the bankers with no strings attached (it's the American way), but something prevented them. I don't know what.

[identity profile] pwilkinson.livejournal.com 2008-10-17 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
That right-wing characterisation of socialism has been going around for a very long time. It seems to have originated sometime around 1870, when a group of Austrian economists redirected their pro-capitalist (and interestingly proto-information theoretic) critique of the control-freak bureaucratic/managerial style of the Austrian Empire against the then-new theories of Karl Marx. For their successors, Marxism, and by extension socialism, became the main target - so "socialist" became their way of referring to any measures or policies at which their critique could be aimed.

But what this does mean is that, according to their views, the founders of socialism should not be taken to be Owen, Proudhon, Marx, Morris or Lenin - but Frederick the Great of Prussia and Maria Theresa of Austria.